We've touched quite a bit on the pay gap for black women, and also how white women can sometimes dominate the feminist conversation in mainstream circles.
In promotion for her new book, We're Going To Need More Wine, Gabrielle Union sat down with Lena Dunham at Lenny Letter to get real about anxiety, rape trauma and even intersectionality within the feminist community. The latter of those has sparked considerable interest given the criticism Dunham has received herself with respect to race.
"I felt like if I can talk about my p*ssy with you, I can talk about race," Union quipped.
Dunham mentioned that the two had talked before about race, and Union expressed her frustration with those conversations. She wasn't upset at Dunham, however, but at the media, which she felt pitted the two of them against each other instead of understanding that "it was possible for two women to have a conversation about the complexity of race."
Union and Dunham also touched on the fight toward pay equality, with Union bringing up the fact that while white women are fighting against white men for their rights, women of color are faced with fighting against both.
"I wish I was in a place of a Jennifer Lawrence, where she's talking about pay inequity with her white male peers," said Union. "It's like, 'Hey, Jennifer, pass the mic back, 'cause the women of color behind you are making way less than you, who have ten, twenty, thirty years of a body of work, and we're making pennies on the dollar of what you're making.'"
Union also admitted that she didn't always feel "worthy" of fighting.
"I never had enough self-worth to feel like I was worthy of the fight, even when I knew it was wrong. Even when I felt such rage and resentment going to work, knowing that I was doing more work, and having more popularity, " she said. "It's Hollywood. For some people, they pay you based on popularity, or how big your last project was. But when it comes to people of color, and specifically women of color, it doesn't matter."
It took some time, but Union finally got to the point where she could be like "f*ck it."
"I am worth this. This is what you agreed to pay me. This is what I bring to the table. If I'm going to be a part of this, I need equity in the company, or I need creative control," she said.